Sean Park: Putting the Personal Back in Personal Injury Law

Strickland Bonner: So your lawyer and your clients are squeezing you for lower fees. How do you put more cash in your pocket? We want to expose you to new ways of practicing law. Endless hours with no home life and a lease on an expensive office are so 1999. It's time to make a change for the better. Here to help you with that are your hosts Ron Bockstahler and Kirsten Mayfield. Welcome to the 1958 Lawyer Podcast.

Ron Bockstahler: All right, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us today. You're listening to the 1958 Lawyer. I am your co-host Ron Bockstahler,

Kirsten Mayfield: and I am Kirsten Mayfield. And with us today is Sean Park. Sean has been an attorney for 22 years. He owns his own firm, the Park Law Firm, where he does personal injury. Sean, thank you so much for being on the show with us today.

Sean Park: Thanks for having me. Great to be here.

Ron Bockstahler: So, Sean, you're a plaintiff's personal attorney doing litigation, representing those that are in need. But you didn't start off that way. Can you talk about how you started.

Sean Park: Yeah, I started off as as a lot of lawyers that get out of law school do. They either go into prosecution, public defense, or they go to work in insurance defense. And what I've told young lawyers is get in, get as much experience on your feet in court or taking depositions, and get out and go find something to do on your own. And so I did that. I did. I was a prosecutor for about two years, and then went directly into civil litigation, primarily focused on divorce, where I decided after about a number of billable hours, where I was essentially a therapist, where people were crying on my shoulder, and I did not want to argue over toasters or the barbecue grill, or I didn't want to deal with getting ordered to call the judge because the child support check was late, or the kids were dropped off two minutes after the specified time in the order. I went in to start working and and helping people that were seriously injured and people that really needed my help and really needed representation. So that's that's what I did. But I was a prosecutor and I was in court every day of the week, five days a week. Sometimes we tried jury trials, three of them in a week, and that's what made my love for the courtroom. I don't get into court that often these days, just because of the nature of civil litigation, a lot of my cases settle. But what's been the trend lately with personal injury cases, in light of the pandemic, is I'm filing a lot more cases and getting them queued up for when things ultimately, hopefully, return back to normal. I will be able to have cases tried and get back in front of the jury.

Ron Bockstahler: So that brings up a good point. I've talked to a lot of attorneys who say insurance companies right now are refusing to settle because they know you can't get into court. How are you handling that, and how are you kind of walking your clients through how to deal with that?

Sean Park: The challenge with that right now is it varies by jurisdiction. I've talked with some lawyers in Boston and the Massachusetts, New England area, and they have something called pre-judgment interest, which allows a personal injury claimant to basically get the meter running, and that kind of will incentivize insurance companies to at least somewhat play fair. But what's not happening in jurisdictions like Illinois or in Tennessee, Georgia, or Florida, where I also am licensed in practice, is you don't have those teeth to be able to to really hold insurance companies accountable, and so what you end up having having to do is mentally preparing your clients for the long haul. And the thing that's unfortunate is a lot of the cases that are injury cases, though they're not severe injuries on the scale of things. Someone's been hit by a car, had some whiplash, and had some chiropractic bills, and those cases are going to be weeded out because insurance companies are going to make sure that they don't offer anything close to fair value in those cases. And a lot of times, from a plaintiff's attorney standpoint, it's not cost-effective to file those cases. But ultimately, what's going to turn the tide is lawyers filing those cases and holding the insurance companies accountable because while they may be making a strategic decision to make sure that they don't pay claims, even claims that have fair value to them and should be settled pre-suit, they're going to spend a lot of money in attorneys' fees and a lot of money to hire outsourced lawyers to to defend these cases that should resolve by all means. They should resolve, but they're playing a very dangerous bad faith game because they know that people are either going to give up the fight or they're going to take pennies on the dollar for the case.

Ron Bockstahler: So, are you seeing any? Does litigation finance come into play for any cases that are less than a million dollars?

Sean Park: I don't see the value in it. I know I have not used the litigation finance company. I try to keep my cases in. Neat and clean as I possibly can, because I think any any attempt or any ammo that you can give the other side to kind of show financial interests or making the case, distracting juries from the actual value of the case and the severity of the injuries by these side issues of someone is getting financing to live during this time, or you're financing the pursuit of the case or the prosecution of the case through litigation expenses. I think that's that's challenging. It happens. I try to avoid it. I haven't in my career had the need to do litigation financing. I've had a couple of clients earlier in my career that have that have just had to finance their eventual settlement, and a lot of times the workup of those, the interest that someone gets charged in paying back those living expenses, essentially, so for someone to survive while their case is pending until it's ultimately settled, it's not worth it in the long run. But people have to live, and especially right now in these trying times, people are going to have to probably either they're going to take less than fair value of their case, or they're going to have to pay someone or finance their ultimate recovery, and they're not going to be better any better off at the end of the day because most of the stuff they come back is essentially the loan that's going to keep them afloat until they get accountability from the defendant or an insurance company.

Ron Bockstahler: So, okay, let's talk about a couple things I really want to hit on. But number one is going to be you mentioned earlier when we were talking the monopolization of personal injury firms by large volume-based advertising, and that kind of takes us back to 1977 when the Supreme Court basically made it legal for law firms to advertise. That I think in your industry in particular, personal injury has had more effect than any other area of law. How do you compete, and what do clients need to know when they're they're looking for an attorney?

Sean Park: I think I think anyone who's been injured needs to make sure that they can get in touch with their lawyer, and they should not be swayed by the advertisement that people are bombarded with on televisions, on the side of busses, on the side of highways, because that essentially appeal appeals to the lowest common denominator of the case, and it's just a matter of almost like I call it the big boxification of law, where these firms have tons of ad dollars to throw at marketing, and they set up little satellite offices. There's a few firms down in the southeast that have satellite offices throughout the southeast in multiple states, where all they have is signage and the lights are off, with the exception of when you call and have to schedule an appointment to meet with an attorney in that particular office in that particular geographic region. Their hubs are Atlanta, their hubs are Tampa, Florida, but they kind of branch out through the southeast, and they just throw tons of ad dollars at at TV and billboards and marketing to and and SEO on top of that to just get as many cases as they possibly can. And what they do is they're just putting so many hooks in the water that they're going to have a lot more fish. They'll probably have a lot more small fish, but if you're providing basic, competent legal services and you don't commit malpractice, and someone realize or someone gets gets a settlement at the end of the day, that's one not dissatisfied customer that when someone that they know has a tragic situation, such as one they suffered, or perhaps one more severe, they're going to be referred to that firm that didn't malpractice their case, so to speak. And I don't want to be dismissive of those firms, just because I know a lot of lawyers that have gone in to work for those shops because they don't want to deal with the marketing aspect of personal injury work and deal with the marketing aspect of the practice of law because they just want to have a sufficient caseload to be able to work the cases, and they don't want to be in the business of marketing. I pride myself on my marketing. I pride myself on my relationships. I pride myself on having satisfied clients and having no review lower than a five star, just because that's that's what I feel the practice of law is. It's I mean, especially in the personal injury climate, it's a business. But for that one person, it's a personal claim for them, and they want to feel like they've been treated. They want to feel like they've been heard, and they want to feel like they can tell their story.

Kirsten Mayfield: So when you when we first set up this podcast, one of the things you told us that shocked me was that you had a client call you who was dissatisfied because he'd never talked to his attorney on the phone. So, if these attorneys are grabbing the clients that they want, they're still not talking to them on the phone.

Sean Park: It's it's it's it's baffling, and it's it's one of those things that I've actually come across cases with larger firms where I was approached by a client who had been represented by one of those firms, and his case was kind of putting along, not moving at much of a rate, and all of a sudden, defense counsel files the motion to dismiss because he discovered that the lawyer that was representing him wasn't licensed in that state. The lawyer that yes, I repeat, the lawyer that filed the lawsuit in this particular state on a personal injury case wasn't licensed, and so I started talking with this client. I said, "Look, I don't want to get involved in this case? You've got to talk with your lawyer. You've got to get your lawyer on the phone to be able to figure out why this motion dismissed has been filed and why you have someone serving as lead counsel in your case who's not licensed to practice law in this particular state.

Kirsten Mayfield: So, how do these dissatisfied people find you? Like, if they're obviously they're getting drawn in by these people who are spending money to be these types of

Sean Park: this was a I'm sorry for interrupting this was a unique situation where it was a friend of my para one of my paralegals down in Atlanta and she was she was getting all the details and I initially was very cautious because I do not like getting involved in cases that are 12, 18 months down the road, where prior counsel has been involved, because I don't like undoing a lot of what may have been done at the beginning, because I've got a certain strategy in a certain way in which I want to handle my cases. I want to get in very early in the case and establish leverage where I can in terms of gathering evidence and putting insurance companies and defendants on notice to make sure that evidence is preserved and protected. And if I get into a case 18 months later where someone had been working on it previously, I don't get those advantages. I end up having to do a lot of mop up, and it's it's difficult. And so back to that that case that was a unique situation, but what ended up happening with it was the motion dismissed ended up being denied by the judge. The judge thought it was too extreme of a remedy for a defense for a defendant to basically get off without any accountability because the big firm had a lawyer that had been hired, but had not passed the bar in that state yet. He had been preliminarily granted authorization to practice, but he was the only attorney on the pleadings. And so, once his case, my client's case, survived, he hired me to represent him on the liability side of the case, but what was going to likely end up happening was if the case got dismissed, he was going to hire me to pursue a legal malpractice case against this large firm, and it would have been a pretty good case because you shouldn't have a lawyer that is the sole lawyer on the pleadings filing a lawsuit in a state where they're not authorized to practice. That's just basic.

Kirsten Mayfield: So, how do you get your clients then? You said you took a lot of pride in your advertising. Can you break it down for us a little bit?

Sean Park: Well, it's not it's not the advertising. It's the marketing and it's the networking that I do in terms of personal relationships that I establish with strategic partners, attorneys, and other jurisdictions, attorneys in other practice areas that know me and know my quality of work, and also from other satisfied clients. I have I have clients that I texted with just yesterday that I represented them six seven years ago, and I've got good relationships with clients that that will text about politics. We'll text about college sports. We'll text about just general things. I mean, I'm friends with a lot of my clients on Facebook, and then see my kids growing up. So it's it's kind of the personal touch that I like to bring to my practice because I think it's something that ultimately it's an injury case that I pursue to a certain end, but the end of the case is not the end of my relationship with that person or that family. It's merely the closure of one chapter and moving on to help them rebuild their life.

Ron Bockstahler: So, with personal injury, I'm going to imagine it's like many other areas of the law. You need to specialize. So, what would you say is your specialty within personal injury?

Sean Park: I would say primarily my specialty is car accidents and truck accidents, motorcycle accidents. Basically, if it if it has wheels and you've been hit by someone, I'm the one to call. But I can't stress enough how important it is for someone who's ever in that situation to call a lawyer almost immediately. As soon as they get out of the emergency room, they want to make a call because what ends up happening when someone goes to a hospital. This is the unseediness of this is where the term ambulance chaser comes from. There are runners that are in hospital. And they're just looking out for traumatic injuries to to sign people up, and I knock on wood have never put myself in that situation where I've walked in to sign up a client in a hospital, and that may not that may not be that big of a statement, but it's ones like there's far too many people, and far too many firms, and far too many attorneys that get their clients that way, and people are dealing with stressful, traumatic situations, and they can undermine their case. They can be signed up with a firm that they don't even know the person, they don't know all the details of the representation, and they ultimately don't-they won't actually see their lawyer for for quite some time, if at all. And I've seen situations where runners would go and go to funerals and sidle up to a widow or a family to try to sign up a case, and it's a seedy, seedy. I mean, picture Danny DeVito and the Rainmaker from that movie with John Grisham. That's that's part, sadly, part of the personal injury world, and so the I think it's I think it's unfortunate, but it's always part of it. But the important thing I think when you have someone in that situation, they need to talk to a lawyer to figure out their rights, and they need to not talk to an insurance company before they understand what they're up against. Because insurance companies, they want to get any way they can. They want to try to undermine or undervalue your case, and if they can, if they can figure out ways to get you to make statements that minimize your injuries, or get you to make statements that kind of waive certain rights or claims you might make down the road, they're going to do everything they can because that affects their bottom line.

Kirsten Mayfield: Okay, well let's do something to remedy that right now. Everyone, get out your phones and make a note to call Sean Park 312858377 128583770 If you get hit by anything with wheels, and we can just 911 Sean, you're good to go.

Sean Park: I will go one step further, and most I think all of my clients use my phone number for good and not evil. My cell number is an Atlanta cell number. I've had it for 20 years. That number is 678-592-8743 If you can't reach me on that number, text me, and I promise you, I will respond almost immediately.

Kirsten Mayfield: That's good for me to have because some of these bicyclists in Chicago are absolutely.

Sean Park: Oh, Chicago's a nightmare. It's. I mean, I've there's so many pedestrian cases just because people are on their phones, people are distracted, people are making that right turn, and that that side crossbar on the that separates the windshield from the side of the car. That is pretty wide, and if you just if there's someone in that in that block frame of view, you're going to hit them, and you got to look out for people, especially as much of a pedestrian walkable city as Chicago is. There's still a lot of people on the roads these days, even even even with a full lockdown.

Ron Bockstahler: So, John, I want to go back real quick and talk about you know picking the right attorney. And in in my mind and my experiences are, I need to find someone that has the you know the pockets, the deep pockets to you know make sure that I'm I'm going to get the right settlement. Not just either it's going to court or it's not, but too often I've seen attorneys just go for a quick settlement so they can get a quick hit into their pocketbook. How do we prevent that?

Sean Park: You hire an attorney that is it is that is skilled in investigating these cases and that is not scared of a courtroom and that is ready to file suit immediately. You don't want to have someone who I don't I don't want cases where someone's calling me saying what's my case worth because that's not the motivation for why you're pursuing these claims. While I'm in business for for to make money, obviously, and for a livelihood, I do that by doing good work for clients and being very aggressive in the litigation side of things, and making sure that all the discovery is done on the front end to make sure that you're going to get a fair evaluation of the case because ultimately every insurance company is going to do what they can to undermine the value of the case, and a lot of that has to do with the early litigation process where you're doing discovery and you're having your client sit for a deposition. And what a lot of people don't realize, and I think what a lot of lawyers on the personal injury side of things don't realize is when the defense attorney is evaluating your case. A lot of that has to do with who your client is, who the plaintiff is, and if that person can sit across the table from the defense attorney and answer every question. And be credible, appear nice and likable. Juries are going to side with that person, and that's what a lot of defense attorneys do when they do a decision. They're sizing up the plaintiff, and when a plaintiff is disheveled, dishonest, has a history of not telling the truth, or maybe there might be some records where they, the cause of the injury may have been something other than what the lawsuit claims it was. That's where plaintiffs' attorneys and plaintiffs can get into trouble. But I mean, I think what you want to end up doing is you want to have lawyers, or you want to hire a lawyer that is prepared to dig in and fight in the trenches, as opposed to saying, "Okay, you got $20,000 medical bills. Progressive Insurance is offering 30-$500 Think you should take it because that does that does nothing for no one other than it helps the insurance companies tremendously, and and all those insurance companies have a database. And any case that an attorney settles, if they're settling it for less than fair value, or if they know that they're settling a number of cases for their clients, you're going to get a track record. You're going to get a track record that this guy's not going to be in it for the long haul. This guy's going to settle it. This guy's not going to file a lawsuit. So we'll just offer him a little bit more based upon our calculations of what these injuries are, and they'll go away. Is

Ron Bockstahler: that a database that's shared by insurance companies?

Sean Park: There, there is shared database, but a lot of times there's proprietary information within each of the insurance companies. This compiled database of money is paid out, 1099s issued for for checks to law firms for X X case, and if you have a number of those where the evaluation of the case and the client and the attorney or the client's taking less than what should be fair or full value on the case, then that reputation is going to build all build upon itself.

Ron Bockstahler: Let's jump into some technology. You're practicing law, and you're licensed in four different states. You got offices in Atlanta and Chicago. How are you keeping up with it?

Kirsten Mayfield: In Nashville, right?

Sean Park: No longer in Nashville. My my main focus right now is is Atlanta and Chicago. I'm still licensed in Tennessee. I still have a couple of cases in Tennessee, but I've transitioned operations to to receive my mail and receive pleadings up here in Chicago, since that's where I live now.

Ron Bockstahler: So, what technologies in law are you taking advantage of that are helping you manage this practice?

Sean Park: I am a big Apple fanboy, so I'm talking to you on my Mac. I have a MacBook Pro in front of me. I have the latest iPhone, and I could not do what I do without having to be agile and having the ability to have good, good support staff. And part of that has to do with the virtual office that I have with Amata Law Offices, they have been great. I've been with them for about two years. They have multiple locations throughout Chicago. I would love it if they were able to branch out further beyond the Chicagoland area, perhaps in the states where I practice. But they handle all of my phone answering. They handle all of my mail routing, and I could not do what I do from wherever I am. My phone's my office. I can I can work from wherever. And in pandemic times earlier this summer, I spent a month and a half in Montana just to get away from the city and could not do my office. I mean, things didn't skip a beat. I was filing lawsuits. I was signing up new cases and clients via Zoom or via phone. It's just I think you have to be agile as a small practitioner, and so that's what I've done.

Kirsten Mayfield: So you talk about the client intake on like the PI side for those big guys are trying to get at tons of fish, as you said. How do you do your client intake differently?

Sean Park: I do my client intake personally. I talk directly with the client. I ask certain questions at the outset. The the screening mechanisms that kind of weed out the cases for me is you've got to be seriously injured enough to go to the hospital from the scene, usually same day medical emergency treatment, and in in those situations, that's not something that's going to get me to sign the case up. It's going to be what's the prognosis, what's the long term medical course that person's going to have to pursue. Is there an issue of liability? Were you were you distracted on your phone? Are there eyewitnesses that may cause a question as to who is possibly at fault? Are you possibly at fault? Are you possibly more at fault than the other person was at fault in your case? And those those cases are ones I tend to shy away from. I mean, but. A lot of times, I've looked at cases where other firms have turned them down because they hadn't done a full, thorough review of a case. And someone came to me with a compelling story of them losing their 13-year-old child in a car accident. And the way the accident happened was, mom was charged initially for failing to yield oncoming traffic. Those type of stories are compelling to me, and when I'm talking with someone who's lost a child, to to figure out what happened and how I can help them. I don't ever like telling someone no or turning them away without giving them at least a good thorough explanation as to why I'm turning their case down, or giving them options as to how to pursue the case on their own, or other ways that they can try to obtain closure in the case. But I think I I know being an attorney and being a small shop and being able to talk directly with clients that establishes a rapport at the outset with that client, and that's what that's what helps. It's challenging getting cases or leads from the internet because like there's a lot of distrust with attorney advertisement and a lot of skepticism of of what it is that I do, and overcoming that trust barrier is difficult when the perception out there is that we're all bunch of ambulance chasers.

Ron Bockstahler: So let's get to know you a little bit. I see you got a guitar there in your background. I know you. Oh, that is

Sean Park: a prop. I wish I wish it worked. That was a birthday present from a couple of years ago by my kids. They even got me lessons and just with the lack of time that I've got, especially right now, it is severely out of tune. But if it were in tune, we would pause the podcast. I would refamiliarize myself with playing the opening chord to "Smoke on the Water, and then I entertained for maybe 20 seconds.

Ron Bockstahler: All right. Well, what else you got? I know you own a Peloton.

Sean Park: I own a Peloton. I was on the Peloton this morning at 6o'clock and I used to be. I kind of tend to be like the latest fad exercise guy. So I at one point owned the barefoot running shoes, and I run five marathons in my life, and then as CrossFit came into popularity back at the end of 2013, I hopped on that bandwagon and was a CrossFit lunatic every morning at 5 a.m. five days a week, sometimes six days a week, and then the pandemic happened, and I haven't been back to my gym since March. I still keep in touch with a lot of my friends, but I miss them quite a bit. So it's the Peloton for me. So my wife actually bought the Peloton about a year ago, and I'm like, "Why are you buying that? It's it's just I mean it's it's it's such a fad. And I'm the only one that uses it now. In fact, it was in my office for a while, but I moved it into a common space just to just to show that I'm not adversely possessing it, to use legal terminology.

Ron Bockstahler: You went to law school in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Sean Park: Yeah, I was actually born in Oklahoma, and I went to I went to law school out there. Went to undergrad at University of Florida, as you can probably see from the various paraphernalia in the background. That's my my shrine to my college football fandom, and I've brainwashed my son pretty well. He hasn't had had been able to witness a national championship because he was born in '06, and Florida's been pretty bad for the past 10 years or so. But yeah, I still have family in Oklahoma. I was born in Oklahoma and went out there for law school. I've made some good connections with people in other industries that I've kept in touch with through law school. Some live here, some live primarily in Texas, and I got done with law school and realized that the midwestern way of life was not something I was accustomed to, so I came back to to Atlanta, and that's where I started my career.

Ron Bockstahler: Well, I got the challenge for you. I'm doing my next Ironman in Tulsa, Oklahoma, May 23rd. So you got 24 weeks. You can do it with me.

Sean Park: I can't swim. I somewhat joke. I can. I can swim. I I just would not be very fast.

Ron Bockstahler: You don't got to be fast. I just

Sean Park: can't understand. I mean, is it a full on Ironman?

Ron Bockstahler: Oh yeah. Unknown: Oh wow.

Kirsten Mayfield: Yeah, he does the full thing.

Ron Bockstahler: Yeah, I'm trying to get to the world championships out in Hawaii, so I'm very. This pandemic's been great for being focused and really sticking to a plan.

Sean Park: You always have to have a plan of some kind.

Ron Bockstahler: Absolutely,

Sean Park: no matter what it is you're doing.

Ron Bockstahler: Well, let's. Our final question we want to hit you with, and then we'll give you a couple minutes to say whatever you want to finish with. Is you know, what is one thing in the legal profession that you would like to see changed?

Sean Park: I would like to see a return to normalcy and. And advocacy and trial work getting back to normal, and that's not going to happen anytime soon. And I don't think it's going to happen back to normal the way it was pre-pandemic. I think Zoom is here to stay. I think Zoom jury trials are going to happen at some point in time. I would like to see the judicial system evolve, and I think it's going to take time because a lot of times when you have judges in various divisions throughout the country being in those positions of authority, no one is right but them, and there's a lot of slowness to evolve in that situation. And I've seen it in in other jurisdictions where judges are adamant that they have to have in-person court, even though they've got spiking numbers in places, and there have been judges that have been sanctioned by the Supreme Court of a given state for having in-person court and unnecessarily exposing people to the risk of COVID, and there's a lot of stuff that can take place or that can happen. Status conferences can happen, motion hearings can happen via Zoom, and some jury trials are happening via Zoom. So I think that's kind of the wave of the future, and it makes it so much easier because you don't have that. You don't have a lot of variables at play where you're having to navigate traffic and parking and logistics of putting on your evidence. You could have your own setup where if you can figure out the logistics of presenting exhibits or presenting witnesses, you can get a lot of stuff done in this Zoom virtual format. But I went to I went to law school because I enjoy the theater of trial work, and I enjoy being in a courtroom. And I enjoy one of my favorite things is jury selection, just getting to know people face to face, one on one. The hardest part is a lot of times when you're talking to jurors, you're talking to people who don't really want to be there, and when you add when you add the pandemic anxiety that most people are going to have, it's going to make it even more difficult to have trials of cases because of the fact that a lot of times people don't want to be there. But then they're also putting their health at risk, so there's going to have to be some sort of adaptation to Zoom just to make it user friendly and to be able to put people's minds at ease so they can actually do their civic duty. Because outside of voting, the most important thing that someone a citizen can do is sit on a jury and help decide cases.

Ron Bockstahler: I think I just heard that one of my eighth graders doing "We the People" in Indiana right now, and she's going to state in her presentation and jury trials, voting, and then the third thing she says, what the most important things is in this country to do, would be protesting or you know saying your piece. And I was really proud to listen to her rehearse yesterday, actually, for her state presentation, which is coming up next week. So we're with you on there. You got to got to do those things.

Kirsten Mayfield: Sounds like we should have her on the podcast next.

Sean Park: Absolutely. No, I mean it's like it's voting and speaking your mind, and and voting is not enough because while an election may conclude a political contest, the real work begins afterward because you don't. There's not time to celebrate. There's if you voted, you've expressed your feelings about what what you want to see happen and how you want this country to move forward. And it's the job of we the people to continue to hold people accountable and say we voted for this. We want you to do this, and if you're not doing that, then we're going to vote for someone who is going to do what they say they're going to do.

Ron Bockstahler: Amen. Sean, last word. What do you want to leave our listeners with?

Sean Park: I just appreciate you having me. Like I said earlier, if you've been hit by something with wheels, give me a call 678-592-8743

Ron Bockstahler: Thank you. We've been talking to Sean Park, Park Law Firm. You can check out his website s e a n p a r k law.com It's Sean Park. Sean, thanks for joining us today. It's great talking to you. Have a great weekend.

Sean Park: Thank you, Sean. You too. Thank y'all for having me.

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